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Old 15th Mar 07   #11
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Re: Os 10 Grandes Portugueses

Arrrgh que confus?o.
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Concordo com a tua ideia, mas penso que a presen?a de Salazar deve-se ao facto de o programa chamar-se 'Os 10 Grandes Portugueses' em vez d'Os 10 Melhores Portugueses', ou seja, na pr?tica ? o ying e o yang; e o Sr. Salazar fez imensa coisa (m?) ao nosso Pa?s durante d?cadas, ? da? que vem a sua import?ncia ou, se preferires, influ?ncia.

Compreendo o que queres dizer PJ , l? grande ele ? e sempre ser? nesse sentido.

Quanto a ti Jo?o, respeito totalmente a tua opini?o, mas nunca irei partilhar a mesma maneira de ver salazar contigo.
N?o est? em causa o tipo de "fascismo", como se o facto de ele ter sido mais brando que outros fosse uma desculpa. Os danos est?o ? vista, existe muitas maneiras de destruir uma na??o inteira e enterrar um pa?s na mais perfeita modorra e tristeza. "Salvadores" desses est? o inferno cheio, como se costuma dizer.
Eu por acaso sei que valor tem a liberdade, mas n?o tive que o procurar nem pagar, simplesmente disseram-me o pre?o e eu fiz o devido c?lculo, felizmente.
Mas mais uma vez repito, respeito a opini?o de quem pensa como tu, mas ?-me imposs?vel concordar, ah e os factos hit?ricos s? confirmam tudo o que eu tenho vindo a dizer. For?a.
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Re: Os 10 Grandes Portugueses

Eu sou tamb?m um democrata liberal. Sei que Salazar fez muita coisa mal feita, contudo n?o ? aquilo que ? pintado pela maior parte das pessoas. As pessoas que falam da liberdade muitas vezes fazem ju?zos de valor sobre esse tempo e as coisas quando s?o explicadas n?o devem ser assim. Deve-se expor factos. E depois faz-se uma an?lise cr?tica sobre o assunto. V?tor, Portugal nunca teve um fascismo, porque o conceito de fascismo ? demasiado estreito para incluir Portugal ou uma Espanha, j? que a direc??o do Governo era feita por intelectuais de Universidades. Eu n?o estou aqui a defender Salazar ( a sua ideologia politica nem a sua personalidade), estou apenas a descrever factos que foram devidamente estudados por um colectivo de estudantes de ci?ncias sociais e humanas e por uma investigadora mestre em Estado Novo. Se pare?o que defendo o Salazarismo est? errado – desse modo defendo o comunismo tamb?m se vivesse na Federa??o Russa, j? que se d? o papel inverso em Portugal, l? diz-se mil e uma coisas maleficas daquele tipo de ditadura.
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“o Sr. Salazar fez imensa coisa (m?) ao nosso Pa?s durante d?cadas, ? da? que vem a sua import?ncia ou, se preferires, influ?ncia.”

O adjectivo “m?” ? demasiado pessoal. Tudo depende do ponto de vista.
(Finalmente consigo ler o teu texto sem os erros de c?digo HTML (ou l? como se chama lol)

Penso que os meus parentesis a circundar o adjectivo m? justificam tudo o que eu escrevi e o que tu comentaste.
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N?o deixa de ser um adjectivo demasiado pessoal.
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N?o deixa de ser um adjectivo demasiado pessoal.
Diz-me um adjectivo que n?o seja pessoal
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Re: Os 10 Grandes Portugueses

O que quis dizer ? que um adjectivo ser? sempre subjectivo e moldado ? perspectiva de uma pessoa... da? ter escrito o meu adjectivo em rela??o a Salazar entre parentesis numa frase onde, basicamente apresentava uma ideia factual.


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Voltando ao assunto, penso que o programa, embora um pouco ligeiro e com uma Maria Elisa a fazer-se de intelectual, ? bastante positivo porque fomenta ao espectador uma curiosidade em (re)descobrir a obra de cada nome da lista.

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Re: Os 10 Grandes Portugueses

O programa tem como objectivo isso mesmo – descobrir quem foi, o que fez, porque fez, cada um dos 10 participantes.

De resto, n?o tem qualquer tipo de crit?rio cient?fico. Por exemplo, o ?lvaro Cunhal, pode muito bem ser comparado ao Salazar, pelos seus caracteres de ideiais totalizantes, autorit?rios, repressivos… Por outro lado, o D. Afonso Henriques em nada tem em comum com Fernando Pessoa – um analfabeto (como todos do seu tempo) e um intelectual.
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